New here.. My Daughter has had 2 decompression surgeries in past 7 mo. How to deal with all this?

Hi, I want to introduce myself, my name is Debbie, I am a single mom of 3 children ages 10, 13, and 14. I am disabled due to seizures and tourette syndrome so i am a stay at home mom, I love it honestly..

When my 2nd Child April was born she was small, only 5 lbs 1 oz, Never was healty in so many ways, Colds, flu, phenominia, you name it she had it. All the time. Some of her developemental skills were off, She never crawled, Never ran ever.. Never could ride a bike.. ect.. I cant name all of them because there were so many . I took her from doctor to doctor and they all said she was fine, we wont worry about it now.. This always upset me. Finally i found a good pediatrician that i could tell cared and he kept putting her through tests for her bones cause she was in so much pain.. nothing showed .. Due to insurance we had to keep doing the same basic tests over and over before we could do the major ones..

One day last September in 2013 we were at a graduation party and her legs just gave way and she could not walk at all , I took her to the ER and they again came up with nothing.. I was beyond myself because at that point she could take 1-2 steps but fell again so i bought her a wheel chair. Her Dr. was out of town until Monday and it was only saturday..

Monday morning 8 am I brought her into his office and he saw her in the wheelchair and was fuming mad.. Asked "why is she in that" I said if you want her to walk more than 2 steps she will fall, He took it into his own hands and said " Screw the insurance she is going to Albany Medical Center, ( Its about a hour and a half away from us ) He got an appt on wednesday of that week by forcing them..

When we got in the room with the specialist, she looked at her for less than 5 minutes said " I need to go and get a neurologist now ! " and ran out of the room... The air felt like it got knocked from me, I have neuro problems but i didnt see these, I was so confused, When she came back with him he did a series of tests and they asked to speak outside with me (at this point she was 12 yrs old and scared ) I remember them saying to me that something very serious is going on and can we discuss this in front of her ? April has a high IQ, she is my child that i tell things to because you cant hide things from her so we did.

So much information was thrown out at that point, terms i didnt understand "wormy tounge" her eyes were over active, her reflexes were on hyper drive ( She almost kicked the dr in the face it was so bad ) She was then admitted in the hospital imediatly.. This was like a fast action movie for me.. I had no clue what was going on yet and she kept asking them.. Friday they took her for a MRI, she came back to her room and I will never in my life forget 10 minutes later , they rolled in this machine with a screen on it and it showed a picture of her MRI, They told me her brain had extended down her spine and is cramed in all the bones .. I could have fallen over but put a smile on my face for her.. They told us both she had to have surgery ASAP.

My daughter just said to me "Im not having surgery and i said i doubt that will be the case , Im almost 100% positive" and that was when they came in.. She never cried, got mad yes.. On September 17th, the day before my oldest daughters birthday she went into surgery at 8:30 am and surgery lasted until 9 pm.. I didnt see my baby till 11 pm.. I think that was one of the worst days of my life at that point, until i saw her, Never did i prepare myself for the tubes and multiple IV's and breathing tube in her.. I actually did fall at this point on my butt.. I was alone, The father is not in the picture but i called him to let him know and he said " I wont be there " .. We were away from home for 2 months and almost 2 weeks between the hospital and rehab because she couldnt walk, hardly talk and more problems.. But in the end she fought her way back and made such a return it was incredible !!

Now the currrent.. May 15th, She had to go back in for another decompression surgery because her spine is severly swollen.. and there was a white spot on it.. this surgery took 6 1/2 hrs.. She was almost paralized though because her spinal cord was pushing up into her brain at such a rapid rate that her surgeon said it was a good thing i saw her signs were turning again.. She was so upset because she didnt want another surgery, Also after the last surgery her surgeon put her in for make a wish and they just gave us the date for the trip and now it will be held back.. I told her we still will go but when she is healthy..

This last surgery was different, I can almost say it was Harder on both of us.. They had to shave her head and she loved her hair but she was ok with that when i told her.. For the 2 days Post op I have never seen my daughter cry out in pain so much.. This killed me inside and i dont know how to get over it.. She is still in pain but doesnt say much..

I dont understand Why.. I know that sounds crazy but what caused this to happen ? Has anyone else needed more than one surgery ? And that close together ? How many surgeries should i be expecting ? Does this ever stop ?

If anyone has advise on how to deal with it i would appreciate it so much.. I am so confused right now and i have no one to talk to ..

Thanks for listening Debbie

Debbie,

I am so sorry that your daughter has had to go thru all of this. I know it can make both of you feel very frustrated and alone.

This past year I also had two decompression surgeries, so I understand. I've had different circumstances than your daughter that have lead me to needing both surgeries - a surprise brian tumor, a CSF leak, and development of huge adhesions that lead me to finding a different NS and having a second surgery. I might still need another surgery on my neck. Despite the differences, I completely understand your frustration of constantly wondering "Is this it? What will happen next?" Please know that you are not alone! It is a difficult place to be in, but it is much easier with my friends on this site who understand and care for me!

Let me know if you or your daughter need anything!

Donna

Donna , Thank you so much for those kind words. Before I found this group I had no one to talk to , no where to go and read stories. This site is really amazing and helping me. I never imagined anything like this happening

I am so sorry that you had to go through this also. This is such an awful thing for anyone to go through. Your circumstances were totally different and I hope you are recovering well. I am here also if you need anything. God bless and take care of you

Debbie

Donna1013 said:

Debbie,

I am so sorry that your daughter has had to go thru all of this. I know it can make both of you feel very frustrated and alone.

This past year I also had two decompression surgeries, so I understand. I've had different circumstances than your daughter that have lead me to needing both surgeries - a surprise brian tumor, a CSF leak, and development of huge adhesions that lead me to finding a different NS and having a second surgery. I might still need another surgery on my neck. Despite the differences, I completely understand your frustration of constantly wondering "Is this it? What will happen next?" Please know that you are not alone! It is a difficult place to be in, but it is much easier with my friends on this site who understand and care for me!

Let me know if you or your daughter need anything!

Donna

Dear Emmaline,

Thank you so much for the welcome, I can not express how great it is to be in a group like this.. Before i found this group i felt lost and now i have been reading what others are going through and have gone through and i dont feel so alone..

April was never checked for EDS, We go back to her Neuro Surgeon on June 2nd and I am going to bring some things that i printed out from that site that seem evidental that she may have it.. He is beyond wonderful, and I mean that when i say that, I have taken April to aprox 100 different specialist, Drs, ER's, ECT.. and he was the first one that actually listened to every word i said, wrote it down, took his time, analized every bit of information before he took action.

When i met him i finally felt a sence of relief and i felt like i could trust putting my daughter in his hands. Thank you so much for being here for me.. It means the world to me.. April had a bad day today, It started at 4am , Woke up with severe pain on the top of her head, had to give her pain meds 2 times today and she hates taking them but it was that severe.. Im just praying that tomorrow is a better day !

God bless you and everyone in this community.. You are all Wonderful people !!

Debbie


Emmaline said:

Debbie, welcome here!

I'm so sorry for what you have been through. I'm not a parent, but see many faces come through here needing help. When it's your child it's priority one...

Has she been checked for EDS (Ehlers Danlos Syndrome) yet? Many with Chiari have it and think that it could be one of the causes of it. It is a connective tissue disorder, and can cause a multitude of symptoms. If the EDS is not addressed during these surgeries, other complications can happen. I'm not saying she has it, just something to consider, EDS can cause neck and spine instability cause more future problems and future surgeries.

Not many NS's in this country have a lot of knowledge about EDS, maybe a handful unfortunately. Let me send you a link for more information. And remember, you are not alone!

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/ehlers-danlos-syndrome

Dear Beebe,

Thank you so much also.. You are all so wonderful and I hope i can help you all out someday in return,

Aprils case is very complex, Due to the fact that they did not find it early on in her childhood. unfortunatly not one of the doctors would listen to me when i said there was a problem.. That had to be the most irratating part but i pushed forward and went to another doctor and another.. I couldnt name everyone if i tried to. I actually felt like " why do doctors not care, why wont they listen? " and im sure you and many others have been in this same boat before..

I am so happy to hear that you are getting close to the end of the tunnel, and beginning to see that light, just seeing that in writing gives me hope that there is an end somewhere, someday.. even if we dont know when.. I am very optimistic and I try so hard to see that glass half full, but honestly lately its been hard, I think because when your looking at your child going through this, I just keep saying " put this in me, give me the pain" I dont want her to go through anymore.. I thank god every day that she is so strong..

When i was looking at the site about EDS, it said some stuff about pregnancy and i never mentioned this in my post.. April was a twin.. I lost her brother at 6 months, they were identical. ( You all know im a single mom, well the reason i lost the one child was because the father came to my door with a gun demanding my oldest daughter, needless to say I picked her up and ran and shielded her but fell onto my stomach and lost one, this is beside the fact but thats why i lost the baby ) My obgyn couldnt do anything with the fetus because they were in the same sac.. Here is the odd part, when i gave birth to april they said he would come out too.. He didnt.. Its a odd mystery, they said they didnt understand but it has happened a couple times before.. I dont know if falling or possibly her brothers parts lodged somewhere.. all of this runs through my head.. The surgeon said he is still researching this and talking with other doctors to see if anything is possible..

I know you said you finally found the right surgeon, well i think i did too for April, He is better than perfect in my perspective. I had what i called a "book" of April's history and i called it this because it was a notebook from when she was born and i started noticing problems all the way up to the current day.. He went through it as he says with a fine tooth comb.. I have never in my life been asked so many questions about my daughter and that felt like a joy to be asked these questions finally !! He even calls me at least once a week to check up on how she is doing..

I am going to do more research on dysautonomia, and make sure i have everything i need when we do go to the surgeon on the 2nd of June. I dont expect miracles , I just hope for this to get better and better.. I think way back when i knew something was wrong I knew she had a long long road ahead of her but when she was diagnoised in september last year it all happened so fast that I couldnt even breath a few times.. Right now finances are rough but we pound through that.. I never worry too much about money, As long as i can see my 3 childrens beautiful faces that is all that matters to me !!

April is my miracle !! That is a fact ! She has got me through all of this as much as I have gotten her through this.. We are a team and we always will be .. Actually My 3 kids and me are all a team i should say !!

Thank you for saying you were all with me in that hospital, I believe so many people were with me, in heart, faith and prayers I know many were .. God Bless you and I promise to give April a hug for you in the morning !!

Im going to post a couple of pics of her 1 pre surgery , 1 post surgery, and 1 just a few days ago ( the collage )

God Bless .. Debbie



Beeba said:

This is very complex case and sounds rather severe. But I was of the same mindset as Emmaline. That was what I was thinking as well. I too have had multiple surgeries to get to the end of the tunnel. To be honest I am not sure I have had my last but I do see light. My situation was nowhere near as severe it was more a factor of doing things one piece at a time and just not having it done fully the first time as to why I am in this position now. I truly believe I am now with the right surgeon because he is of a select very few that really understands just how far reaching this condition is and how many related things there really are. I am definitely far better after my third surgery than my first but due to damage done things are not perfect. But I believe they will be far better and I am not giving up and I have a surgeon with an ego that won't let him give up either. I truly share your frustration. You go in thinking this is it - only to find out no not yet. You just want to hurt people you can get so angry. Again my situation is very different but I can promise I went in each time with a 100% positive attitude that this would be it. And it can really suck the life out of you when you realize that there is more to come. As a mother this must truly be killing you. I can't fathom what it has done to you both emotionally and financially. And a child deserves a good life. You have my deepest sympathy for what your daughter has been through. I hope you find information here that gives you hope for the future and support to go through this process. If it really were just a problem/surgical fix - there would not be a support group needed. This is a crazy condition with many related disorders. I do not know your dr but I have to wonder if fresh eyes and a different plan may be worth a visit. Please also look I to ehlers dahnlos and dysautonomia. But as I said going by history and maybe instinct eds is jumping out at me and I really can't say why. I am so sorry for everything and please give your daughter a big gentle hug from all of us and know you may have been alone in that hospital(I am biting my tongue out of respect) but you are not alone here. Please let us know if we can help in any way. Much love,beeba

Emmaline said:

Debbie, welcome here!

I'm so sorry for what you have been through. I'm not a parent, but see many faces come through here needing help. When it's your child it's priority one...

Has she been checked for EDS (Ehlers Danlos Syndrome) yet? Many with Chiari have it and think that it could be one of the causes of it. It is a connective tissue disorder, and can cause a multitude of symptoms. If the EDS is not addressed during these surgeries, other complications can happen. I'm not saying she has it, just something to consider, EDS can cause neck and spine instability cause more future problems and future surgeries.

Not many NS's in this country have a lot of knowledge about EDS, maybe a handful unfortunately. Let me send you a link for more information. And remember, you are not alone!

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/ehlers-danlos-syndrome

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Hi Abby,

I love the advise that everyone is giving me.. This is such a wonderful group !!

April is doing ok overall. She had a very bad day today with pain, I do the pain scale like they did in the hospital because that way i can guage how bad it is compared to how bad it was when she was there.. it was a 9 most of the day only got down to a 6, She had to take Oxycodone 2 times today and this started at 4 am.. We are also using 600 mg of motrin also to help her pain and headaches.. Im praying for a better day tomorrow.. I have not been on too much today because i was taking care of her..

Thank you so much for the prayers and hugs.. I send them right back to you.. Always !!

I added some pictures of april before her last surgery, after and just a couple of days ago..

Thought a visual would help people know who i am talking about.

God bless.. Debbie :)

Abby said:

Great advice from the others above. I just wanted to say, we are here for you and your daughter. Please let us know how things are going. We have you both in our thoughts and prayers. Hugs to you both.

Beeba,

Thank you for that link.. I am just soaking all this information in.. I can not believe how much information there is out there but sometimes its hard to actually find it on your own and i can not thank you and everyone else for it all..

Yes April's surgeon is awesome.. I remember when i first met with him and had my "book" on her, I was so ready for him to say well you can keep that and i will run more tests but he didn't.. I looked at him and said " Your actually going to look at this ?" and i know that sounds crazy but at the time i was rejected over and over so i was expecting it again.. He said " I will take any and everything you have on her from birth up.. Plus he asked for all my pregnancy details.. The shocked expression on my face was incredible.. I remember calling my Best friends and saying " I finally found the DOCTOR !!! "

I know when I bring in all this new information that i have been printing out he will get a grin on his face ( he always does ) and say.. Here is one of my favorite parents on her mission.. but i will give credit to all of you for directing me to these links and for your information you have shared..

Thank you again so much !! I don't know when April get to the end of her tunnel.. Right now I am focused on her and getting to the route of the problem and solving it in one way or another.. Everyone takes a turn every once in awhile but she will reach her point where this will stop, I am sure about that..

I started a little saying with her.. Faith , Love , and a Sprinkle of Pixy Dust, then let God lead the way !!

God Bless you,

Debbie :)

Beeba said:

From what you have added about your dr it sounds like you are at the right place.. Having a dr that listens and is researching is key. And sounds as if he thinks that there was someone else more qualified or that he felt could do more he would send you there. Not everyone can jump on a plane or travel around the world to get to some of these specialists - and there are times when I do think they don't have to if someone would just listen and do the research that is needed. For much of what we go through from a surgical standpoint - it is considered one of the easier operations preformed but most know that the results can be more complex than what the procedure would indicate. If you have a dr that you feel is as caring and compassionate as he sounds then you stick with them. I also wanted to give you a reference to a great site that is packed with useful information. Csfinfo.org. Click on videos then go to physician videos. Start watching from most recent back. Most are fairly simple to understand and if we can get it you really start to wonder why they are not. You are right I have seen more drs than I can count but when you get to the right one in a specialized area you know it and you stick with them. I have had to get up in the middle of more than one appointment and grab my binder right out of their grubby little hands and say we ain't gonna work. And on to the next. You know your child and it sounds like you always have - trust your instincts since history has shown you were more aware than they were - you might not have known why but that was their job - you did your job by recognizing a problem. Things are going to be different from now on and you are going to be so educated that they won't be able to dismiss you so easily. I have faith in you and hope for April - you are on the right path. I wish it were a short one but there is an end.