Introduction of me...a Newbie just discovering a lot of Chiari symptoms I never connected

Hello there! My name is Cindy. I live near Cincinnati OH. I worked as a licensed physical therapist for 16 years before I became too ill to work. I just found out last week that I have EDS & Chiari I malformation. I have been dealing with Chiari symptoms for the past 3 years. I am 44 years old and one of my many doctors just now figured it out?! Crazy! It's quite a lot to soak in to this screwed up brain of mine. I've got crazy things going on inside (and outside lol) this head. WAY more than I even knew! I have known for years that I am a zebra in the medical community and after learning this, I must be an albino zebra! :)

In 2007, I was diagnosed with a pituitary tumor & Cushing's disease. I had sublabial transsphenoidal pituitary surgery at MD Anderson. It was unsuccessful unfortunately due to extensive hyperplasia. In 2008, I had both of my adrenals removed, so now I have Secondary Addison's. The pituitary surgery was quite invasive, so I am on multiple medications to replace all these hormones and then some. I still have ACTH producing tumor cells, so I have yearly MRI's to keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't grow.

For the past 3 years I have had progressive worsening of Chiari symptoms...I knew that they weren't endocrine related, but I just couldn't find a doctor that could figure it out. So I finally went to Dallas to see a dysautonomia specialist who did a week long of testing. My initial evaluation was odd to me. lol He was pinching my skin and asking me to bend over and touch the floor with my palms. I thought "Oh me, is this doctor for real?!" Little did I know that he suspected EDS. I thought I was going to walk away with a dx of POTS and go on my merry way with an exercise plan and a prescription in hand. lol He suspected EDS, but told me he would know more after the week of testing.

It was a grueling week of testing, but he left no stone unturned. One particular test that alarmed me was the videonystamography test. I had severe nystagmus and being a PT, I knew that was not good. But I did not know how that related to EDS. I soon learned how...

At the end of the week, the doctor confirmed EDS and referred me to a geneticist for classification evaluation, among many other "things to do" until I go back in April. He said that my videonystagmography showed that I have lesions of the cerebellum, specifically at the dorsal vermis & superior colliculus. My doctor said it appears that I have Chiari and referred me for an MRI to assess the cerebellopontine angle. I walked away from that appt, happy that I found answers, but I did not anticipate all that I was told.

Now, I have MRI's once a year and I have every disk. So once I got back home, I started reviewing them. Holy frijoles! How have all my doctors missed this?! The herniation is clear as day! I'm not an expert at MRI readings, but I used to read them when I was a PT. I can clearly see the tonsillar herniation. Ugh. In addition, things that I always noticed about myself, but thought it was just my weird issues, I have found to be related to Chiari. I have a flattened occiput. I have major asymmetry of the skull. It's clear as day on the films. I had always noticed that my right ear is way higher than my left. My facial features are not even. Now I understand so many things that I have noticed over the years, but shrugged off.

-My entire life, I couldn't wear a headband. It would always slip off....because of my flat head! lol

-My sunglasses are always crooked because my ears aren't level.

But that's the silly, no big deal stuff that I noticed. The debilitating symptoms have been the real issues. Besides the headaches, pain, vertigo, & POTS.... I have severe problems with my BP/HR jumping up and down for no reason...just totally out of control and not in sync with my level of physical exertion, my respiration is difficult at times....as if I have to "think" to breath....and that's during the day, I have major temperature dysregulation, I have recurring vertical diplopia & right ptosis in addition to Horner's syndrome, I have tremors on my right side...but only above the waist. (arm, neck face) that come and go, but can be elicited with hyperventilation. (Found this out by accident.)

There's probably more, but I can't think of them at this very moment. (You guys total understand the memory issue!) So, since last week, I have Googled my computer to death trying to learn as much as I can and try to connect as many dots as I can. The more I read....the more I'm connecting. And I am thankful for a group like this to learn, share, and most of all....be a support system for each other. I'm looking forward to getting to know all of you!

Wow… Reading your story describes me! I love it that our “weird” symptoms connect us! I am 4 weeks post op and the first relief was my memory! I find myself reminding people of meetings now. My colleagues and friends are amazed :wink: The chiari headaches have gone also. I now have a normal headache and I can live with that. The BP and HR issues have left me which is a relief. i was passing out and “forgetting” to breathe on a regular basis. I was sick of Dr’s telling me it was a panic attack or dehydration. I wasn’t panicked and I was full if fluids Lol I’m having complications due to an infection (still awaiting test results) but on the whole the surgery has changed my life. My hearing and vision are still off but the Dr’s explanation is it takes time for my body to adapt to the “new brain”. I can wait… Ten years of this disorder, what’s another few months! I hope you can get help and feel the relief so many of us do after surgical intervention. The first time I heard my DX and felt true sympathy and understanding from my NS was the day I got my life back. It was most defiantly a high five moment. :wink: I got real answers and had 100% trust and faith in my NS. If you don’t get that please keep looking for a Dr who does. Good luck and keep us posted on your journey.

Thank you for sharing your story!! It sounds like the surgery has made a huge difference in your life and I am SO happy for you!!! I am fairly sure that surgery is on the horizon for me too. The Mayfield Chiari Center is here in Cincinatti. The NS is waiting for the hospital to send my MRI films & then we’ll discuss the plan. It truly is crazy just how MANY things can go wrong due to Chiari. I have been bumping into walls for years & I would just laugh it off, and say “Who put that wall there?!” .(…out of embarrassment. )

The bumping into walls? Is that literally part of it too? I’ve had bruises on my shoulders and head all my life from being the one “not paying attention to where I’m going”. I fell last week and right this second am sporting a knarly cut my knee am eight inch bruise down my shin from it but I didn’t have the reflex to catch myself so I also have a bruise on my shoulder. Very typical my whole life clumsy! Lol who knew maybe we will all come out of surgery remembering everything and gliding everywhere welcome glad you’re here!!!

I had surgery 4 months ago and I'm very glad to say that I don't think I've bumped a wall since! :) There was one particular doorway at work and I swear I slammed my shoulder into it every single time I would get up to go to the restroom! It was quite embarrassing because there was usually a witness. I also used to bump the wall in the corridor to my office. No more! It's the little things, eh? lol

Cindy...you are so lucky to be in Cincinnati! I traveled 5 hours and am paying out of network for having Mayfield do my surgery. They are the nicest group of doctors I've seen (and Lord knows I've seen a ridiculous number of doctors!). I knew from my first appointment that they would be worth the extra money.

Brandi--I ran into walls my entire life...but not since surgery..I had bruises from hitting door facings, door knobs, etc. Like finallyhavedx, my hearing was immediately improved and I've had no Chiari headaches, but do have an almost constant headache behind my eyes. I can't believe how far I've come in the 4 weeks since surgery. I haven't noticed a difference in memory yet..but I'm sure once I'm back at work I'll know whether there is a stark difference or not. I'm starting PT next week..yikes..and have 3 inflamed lymph nodes my PCP is watching.

How long did it take post op for you guys to get totally off pain medicine? I mean, besides tylenol or advil? I'm taking 1 or maybe 2 Norco still everyday, usually late in the afternoon.

Thanks..

Michele

Anglyn....yes! I am so blessed to be so close to a wonderful Chiari Center like Mayfield! And it's so good to hear stories like yours about your positive experience with them! I've read some of your other posts and it sounds like you are seeing positive results too! SO happy for you! I hope to be reporting the same news sometime soon! :)

Anglyn said:

I had surgery 4 months ago and I'm very glad to say that I don't think I've bumped a wall since! :) There was one particular doorway at work and I swear I slammed my shoulder into it every single time I would get up to go to the restroom! It was quite embarrassing because there was usually a witness. I also used to bump the wall in the corridor to my office. No more! It's the little things, eh? lol

Cindy...you are so lucky to be in Cincinnati! I traveled 5 hours and am paying out of network for having Mayfield do my surgery. They are the nicest group of doctors I've seen (and Lord knows I've seen a ridiculous number of doctors!). I knew from my first appointment that they would be worth the extra money.

I hope to be reading your success story soon! :) If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask!

A fellow PT Chiarian! I'm sure that you are dealing with the same issues that I do. I know neuroanatomy & physiology and when a doctor has tried to dismiss my complaints, I've had to let them know that I know more than they think I do. lol I never knew that my degree in PT would serve me so well personally, as I never anticipated having to spar with doctor after doctor.

I too have dismissed symptoms thinking that it was possibly related to DJD or DDD in my cervical spine because I had specific dermatomal neuropathy. But then after a few years, I noted that it transitioned from dermatomal to entire BUE involvement. Besides numbness & tingling, my hands were becoming very cold and clumsy. I was also diagnosed with migraines.

I am so glad that you finally got an MRI...the syrinx extends from C2-T7?!? I'm surprised that you haven't been more symptomatic! (But I'm glad that you haven't!) I hope that you can get in for surgery and feel better soon! Keep us posted!



ChiariPT said:

I am also a Physical therapist. I think it is easy to explain away diffuse symptoms. I was diagnosed 3 weeks ago. My story is not the typical progression of Chiari. I have had a history of migraines (several per month), but nothing more frequently in the last 6 months. 10 years ago, I experienced my first strange neurological symptom. I had a 4 week period during which time I would have a burst of discomfort in my right low back when I turned my head to the left. Nothing else made the symptoms appear. Those symptoms resolved with only minor residual paresthesia in my right little toe. Fast forward....6 months ago, I noted marked aching in both arms when I sneezed. It only lasted 1-2 minutes, equal in both sides. I assumed it was a minor disc problem, so I decided to watch and see what happened. Late November, beginning of December, those symptoms changed. I developed a severe burst of pain in my left arm with residual aching into my left arm and into my left thumb. My PCP reluctantly agreed to an MRI. Within 24 hours I was diagnosed with a Chiari 1.5 and extensive syrinx from C2-T7. I count my blessings that I have not had more symptoms. I am pending a surgery date with Dr. Dong Kim in Houston. Anyone had surgery with him?

Brandi....I bump into the walls all the time. Peripheral vision and proprioception is a problem for a lot of Chiarians. Besides bumping into walls, I also bump my head OFTEN as I get into the car. I'm just not able to judge distances and where my body is in space and in relation to objects around me. For the longest time, I have felt like such a klutz and now I know why I'm such a klutz!

Brandi said:

The bumping into walls? Is that literally part of it too? I've had bruises on my shoulders and head all my life from being the one "not paying attention to where I'm going". I fell last week and right this second am sporting a knarly cut my knee am eight inch bruise down my shin from it but I didn't have the reflex to catch myself so I also have a bruise on my shoulder. Very typical my whole life clumsy! Lol who knew maybe we will all come out of surgery remembering everything and gliding everywhere welcome glad you're here!!!!!

Thank you Anglyn. :) I hope to have a success story too! Dr Zucarello is going to be my doctor. I've read a lot of good things about him. After flailing helplessly in a sea of doctors for the past 3 years, never receiving the lifeline I needed....I'm so happy to finally have validation regarding the strange myriad of symptoms I have been complaining of for so long. I know that I am finally on the right track!

Anglyn said:

I hope to be reading your success story soon! :) If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask!

Interesting, my ears are crooked too. And bands dont stay on my head either! But not severely. You have really been through it; so many DX's. I am only getting started. I am getting tested next month for blockage. But I am having balance, nervous system problems, and many other symptoms. Goodluck on your journey? Any one mentioned surgery for you, or not?

Beth, I have done the preliminary evaluation with Mayfield and just dropped off my MRI today. From what I have read, it sounds like everyone usually hears from the doctor within 4 days or so, so I am crossing my fingers that I will be hearing from the good doctor by the end of the week regarding my MRI, set up an appointment, and discuss the possibility of surgery. I have been through a lot of surgeries and if I do need surgery, this will be the third time my skull has been cut into....and all three times it has been for different problems! But I welcome it with open arms if it will help to resolve some of these awful symptoms!

The headband thing? I just have to laugh and shake my head. For years and years, I kept thinking that I would FINALLY find a headband that would stay on my head. I thought there was something wrong with the headbands I bought, that they weren't large enough! I didn't know there was actually something wrong with my HEAD! LOL

Beth Graham said:

Interesting, my ears are crooked too. And bands dont stay on my head either! But not severely. You have really been through it; so many DX's. I am only getting started. I am getting tested next month for blockage. But I am having balance, nervous system problems, and many other symptoms. Goodluck on your journey? Any one mentioned surgery for you, or not?

Welcome to the group you have found some friends that understand where you’ve been.I am 4 months out on my decompression.I spent 27 yrs. finding the right Dr.this journey has been a nightmare.In this area there’s only one NS who knows what he’s doing and the rest of the medical community just don’t get it.Things are getting better for me my symptoms were so crazy so I have been judged by Drs.so needless to say,my trust in them is pretty low.It is so wonderful to be set free after devastating yrs. with no help other than trying to take meds.that didn’t work very well.It’s good to meet you here on this site it has been a God send to me.I’ll be tring to keep up with your progress.

Lynn, I am thrilled to hear that you finally found someone who would listen and finally experiencing sweet relief and the answers that you have been searching for, for nearly 3 decades! I haven't been dealing with this NEARLY as long as you, but I've been through many doctors too. For the longest time, I thought it was all endocrine related because I had Cushing's, still have a pit tumor, and I now have Addison's. My endocrinologist was a pretty smart guy, so I started talking to him about my plethora of symptoms. I was in shock by his aloofness. He basically said I was a liar, that I was not taking my meds like I was supposed to, and that the symptoms that I was complaining of were bizarre and strange. He completely dismissed me, so I dismissed HIM and he was fired on the spot! I have a new, extremely intelligent endo, but when I would tell him the issues I had, at least he would say that he could not explain it from an endocrinological standpoint and had the decency just to say "I don't know what this is." But even when I went to specialists in the field of neurology, they were clueless. I went to four different neuros. Such a draining condition to deal with. And it's SO draining to deal with holier than thou doctors that shoo us out of their offices time and time again. Geez! But is sure is SWEET when a doctor finally says "I hear you" and "I know what's causing this." What a relief! Validation!

I am so glad to hear that you have gotten your surgery over and done with and seeing positive changes. I know that many more good things are on your way. I hope that I will be following in your footsteps in the not so distant future! :)

Lynn Messer said:

Welcome to the group you have found some friends that understand where you've been.I am 4 months out on my decompression.I spent 27 yrs. finding the right Dr.this journey has been a nightmare.In this area there's only one NS who knows what he's doing and the rest of the medical community just don't get it.Things are getting better for me my symptoms were so crazy so I have been judged by Drs.so needless to say,my trust in them is pretty low.It is so wonderful to be set free after devastating yrs. with no help other than trying to take meds.that didn't work very well.It's good to meet you here on this site it has been a God send to me.I'll be tring to keep up with your progress.